Perhaps that's why they didn't go straight to the police.
I am being serious. We are not talking about a job in the civil service here. Its Hollywood, it happens.
And can we please not indulge the fantasy that it is only women who suffer from this. There are plenty of stories of similar things happening to young boys, far younger than these women. Nobody seems to give a **** about that but they want me to get all bent out of shape because a few grossly ambitious young models and actresses were asked to suck a cock to get ahead (pun intended).
I heard one of the secretly recorded incidents on the radio and yes, its creepy, pretty gross. But the hacks on radio 5 falling over themselves in their gushing condemnation (oh my word, isn't it disgusting/appalling/horrifying/simply the worst thing ever) was arguably worse.
**** all this ****. I am not falling for it again.
Bloody women :(
There was a great twitter exchange involving Jessica Chastain that summed up the hypocrisy rather nicely, I thought.
She tweeted 'I was warned from the beginning. The stories were everywhere.'. Someone asked her why she hadn't said anything and she said 'It wasn't my story to tell. That was up to the victims.'
Righto, love. :hehe:
On the recording she has a hundred opportunities to say '**** off you old pervert, touch me and I will kill you'. she doesn't because she is secretly recording him.
I am not defending the chap, he is clearly a tosser. However.... if they were very clear in their minds that they weren't willing to do any that in return for the help he was offering it would be a simple parting of the ways. The tragedy is many of them would be willing and many others would at least consider it.
That doesn't make it right but it tells you something.....
It sounds to me like a lot of those who knowingly and consensually took the horizontal route to stardom are now using this to rewirite history by talking tearfully of how they were 'abused' as opposed to having entered into a mutually-beneficial compact with their eyes (and legs) open.
See Gwyneth Paltrow and Angelina Jolie's 'confessions' for examples of this.
One small part of a growing trend of modern women showing a preference for playing the victim over embracing the notion of accountability. One can accept that one 'did what it took to get to the top' or that one was a victim of a man abusing his power. Both are arguably true.
I am afraid I see this at work all the time. Scores of women ruthlessly and shamelessly forcing their way into management roles. Once there they demonstrate a thoroughly one-dimensional view of 'responsibility' ...they embrace the power but are seemingly incapable of accepting the fact that being responsible for something entails being accountable for it going wrong. THe minute is goes wrong the finger pointing starts, the blame shifting and, inevitably, the accusations of sexism/racism/take your pick.
Accountability is a thing of the past eplaced by the idea that by definition a victim can never be to blame.
Rant over :)
The high, the middle and the low politics is all one and the same thing, ain't it? At least it ought to be.
And it's not "merely" an excuse. It can be an extremely lucrative path to take, that of victimhood. That's why practically everybody is trying to get in on it.
Of course, what he should do is claim that he’s the victim of anti-semitism - a victim of the trope of grasping, greedy Jewish plutocrats wanting to despoil innocent shiksas as a form of racial revenge.
The fact that he’s bang to rights shouldn’t stand in the way of his right to take refuge in identity politics, after all. :shrug:
Given the curious nature of that business and that town, haven't his victims essentially been blackmailing him all this time? It's surprising he hasn't had them all done for extortion. I mean, who would go to Hollywood without the promise of lurid sexual escapades#Asking4It
It would at least be fair and consistent. And I still wouldn't care. Hollywood doesnt purport to be a fair, just, diverse and inclusive environment or a meritocratic industry. Quite how one vacuous celebrity comes to receive more attention than another is of literally no interest to me.
The funny thing is they will never get round to going after the music industry because the young girls blowing the rock bands were not being promised anything in return. Its fine to treat them like **** and tell them to **** off afterwards but if you promise them anything in return its suddenly coercion/abuse of power/rape. If you think about it, that is a bit ****ed up.
:nod: An excellent point, p. During Yewtree, legend has it that Bill Wyman, Jimmy Page and various others lawyered up and rocked up to their local plod trying to pre-empt the long arm of the law. To a man, they were told to go forth and sin no more because old rockers fvcking schoolchildren wasn't the crime du jour and - by the way - could you sign my copy of Houses Of The Holy, Mr Page?
Erm, the groupies didn't expect to get married to their targets. They just fancied the socks of them and wanted some fun. No comparison at all, as long as they're old enough.
And not promising anything is precisely the point. It makes it merely consensual sex and not an abuse of power.
Well I somehow doubt it was his charm, good looks or sweet personality she was hanging around for. Now he's on the ground and toxic, she can name her figure in the divorce proceedings (or else I'll wash even more dirty laundry in public) and off she will jolly well fvck.
At this level of wealth and celebrity, absolutely everything is a commodity. There is no decency anywhere.
Right, but one important point was that in a lot of cases they were NOT old enough.
I accept the abuse of power is largely predicated on the notion of quid pro quo (not that I am suggesting that The Quo got up to any of this stuff) but my general point is that much of this is around perception rather than law. Treating a 16 year old girl like **** while she blows a band she idolises is pretty reprehensible behaviour. Rock seems to have some form of immunity from our collective frowns....
Its a bit of a leap to assume these girls were happy to do all of the things they were asked to. What about the many, many stories of what they were sometimes asked to do just to get backstage and hang with the band? I doubt many were that desperate to blow the road crew.
The transaction relates to getting to hang with the band backstage as long as you are prepared to offer whatever sexual treats were demanded.