Oh fer fuxake .. so a senior aide worker can't even have a little pop at the local

brass now? As long as he hasn't been dipping into my donations I don't see it as my business where he sinks his pecker.

Now, if any of those girls are not 'of age' then that is a different matter entirely, and it means egregious crimes have been comitted and must be confronted. I personally wouldn't touch Haitian or Chad or any 'third world shít-hole' brass with yours, but each to his own.

That said, I would never engage with brass of any hue. Herbert Augustus will pay no fee to deposit his fecundities in your mum.

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brass now? As long as he hasn't been dipping into my donations I don't see it as my business where he sinks his pecker.

Now, if any of those girls are not 'of age' then that is a different matter entirely, and it means egregious crimes have been comitted and must be confronted. I personally wouldn't touch Haitian or Chad or any 'third world shít-hole' brass with yours, but each to his own.

That said, I would never engage with brass of any hue. Herbert Augustus will pay no fee to deposit his fecundities in your mum.

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In our brave new socialistik puritanikal society the only sexytime allowed is between transers and those of a similar gender. All your outmoded, abusive, patriarchal concepts like, 'a man having sex with a woman' are now illegal.

Off to the re-education camp, h.

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In our brave new socialistik puritanikal society the only sexytime allowed is between transers and those of a similar gender. All your outmoded, abusive, patriarchal concepts like, 'a man having sex with a woman' are now illegal.

Off to the re-education camp, h.

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Seriously, though, this from Matt Ridley in The Times today is on the money.

"I am sure I am not alone in finding the cultural revolution that we are going through difficult to understand. Like a free-living Regency rationalist who has survived to see Victorian prudery, like a moderate critic of Charles I trying to make sense of the Cromwellian dogma, like a once revolutionary Chinese democrat hoping not to be denounced and sent for re-education under Chairman Mao (or John McDonnell), I am an easygoing Seventies libertarian baffled by the aggressive puritanism and intolerance that seems to be everywhere on the march.

I turned 60 last week and expected by now to find myself in periodic, grumpy disapproval of the younger generation’s scorn for tradition, love of change and tolerance of “anything goes”. Instead I find something approaching the opposite. Many people of my generation have mentioned the same experience recently: the terrifying censoriousness of the young, even sometimes their own children, and the eggshell-treading dread of saying the wrong thing in front of them. The young are a bit like our parents were, in fact.

What happened to the liberation of the Sixties and Seventies, when you could start to forget hierarchy and say just about anything to and about anybody? Pictures of young women in make-up, short skirts and high heels walking down the street in Kabul or Tehran in the Seventies are in shocking contrast with the battle that modern Iranian women, dressed mostly in all-concealing black, are bravely fighting to gain the right to remove a headscarf without being arrested.

Is it so different here or are we slipping down the same slope? Pre-Raphaelite paintings that show the top halves of female nudes are temporarily removed from an art gallery’s walls; young girls are forced to wear headscarves in school; darts players and racing drivers may not be accompanied by women in short skirts; women are treated differently from men at universities, as if they were the weaker sex, and saved from seeing upsetting paragraphs in novels; sex is negotiated in advance with the help of chaperones. We have been here before.

In Orlando, Virginia Woolf’s novel of 1928, she portrayed the transition from the 18th century to the Victorian period thus: “Love, birth, and death were all swaddled in a variety of fine phrases. The sexes drew further and further apart. No open conversation was tolerated. Evasions and concealments were sedulously practised on both sides.”

How we laughed at such absurdity in my youth. But even for making the point that some of the new feminism seems “retrograde” in promoting the view that women are fragile, the American academic Katie Roiphe suffered a vicious campaign to have her article in Harper’s magazine banned before publication. “I find the Stalinist tenor of this conversation shocking,” she told The Sunday Times. “The basic assumption of freedom of speech is imperilled in our culture right now.”

The sin of blasphemy is back. There are things you simply cannot say about Islam and increasingly about Christianity, about climate change, about gender, to mention a few from a very long and growing list, without being accused of, and possibly prosecuted for, “hate speech”. Is it hate speech to say that Muhammad “delivers his country to iron and flame; that he cuts the throats of fathers and kidnaps daughters; that he gives to the defeated the choice of his religion or death: this is assuredly nothing any man can excuse”? That was Voltaire, one of my heroes. You may disagree with him but you should, in accordance with his principle, defend his right to say it. In demanding tolerance of minorities, many younger people seem to be remarkably intolerant.

There is an odd contradiction between the declared wish to live and let live — “diversity!”, “don’t judge!” — and the actual behaviour, which is ruthlessly and priggishly judgmental. They never stop drafting acts of uniformity, always in the name of the collective against the individual. The minority of one is the most oppressed minority of all.

Perhaps, being a meat-eating, heterosexual, titled, atheist, climate-sceptic male who thinks communism was evil, gender is partly biological, genetically modified crops are good for the environment, free markets make people nicer and that Britain should leave the European Union, it is just me who finds himself perpetually on the politically incorrect side of arguments, or at least the opposite side from the BBC. But it does feel as though almost everybody, whatever their views, is one step away from public denunciation.

We need a morality, of course, and one that does more to challenge bad behaviour whether in Hollywood or Oxfam, but that does not require being more puritan about speech and thought. I have often wondered how it was that in the past societies suddenly became more censorious, conservative and intolerant, as they did at the start of the Victorian era, but I thought that I was living in a time when none of that could happen, when culture was on a one-way escalator towards liberality.

In the Sixties Francis Crick held a contest for what to do with the college chapels in Cambridge, because in the future nobody would be religious. Imagine that. Of course, we knew what was going on in China — the Cultural Revolution was a political purge dressed up as moral rearmament — but we shuddered at the alien nature of such a thing. Now it seems closer.

The thugs who recently tried to prevent Jacob Rees-Mogg speaking at a university are now a familiar routine on campus. But, as the American journalist Andrew Sullivan warns, the campus is a harbinger for the whole of society: “Workplace codes today read like campus speech codes of a few years ago . . . the goal of our culture now is not the emancipation of the individual from the group, but the permanent definition of the individual by the group. We used to call this bigotry. Now we call it being woke. You see: we are all on campus now.”

Nevertheless, I remain a rational optimist. Like the psychologist Steven Pinker in his new book, I think “the Enlightenment is working”, still. Reason can prevail over dogma, science over superstition, freedom over tyranny, individualism over apartheid. Progress is not dead. Yet. But we have certainly taken a few steps backward towards a darker way of running society. Why? I still don’t have an answer."

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Seriously, though, this from Matt Ridley in The Times today is on the money.

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It's the ingrained cognitive dissonance I find so terrifying. People who seriously seem to believe that one can be simultaneously pro-Islam and supportive of gay and women's rights. Or who are happy to discriminate against people on the basis of their skin colour or sex in the name of 'equality'. Or those who will trumpet the cause of 'social justice' while simultaneously denying the right to free speech or advocating the removal of suffrage. To be able to glide through life in the apparently sincere belief that not only is there is no contradiction between these positions, but that holding them makes one inherently virtuous seems to me to require a level of delusion that is actively dangerous.
It's totalitarian, of course and Orwell spotted it first, of course. Once you allow - even force - people to accept obvious absurdities without challenge, you can pretty much get them to do anything. If you outlaw demonstrable truth and logic and make a virtue of lying, all bets are off.

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It's the ingrained cognitive dissonance I find so terrifying. People who seriously seem to believe that one can be simultaneously pro-Islam and supportive of gay and women's rights. Or who are happy to discriminate against people on the basis of their skin colour or sex in the name of 'equality'. Or those who will trumpet the cause of 'social justice' while simultaneously denying the right to free speech or the removal of suffrage. To be able to glide through life in the apparently sincere belief that not only is there is no contradiction between these positions, but that holding them makes one inherently virtuous seems to me to require a level of delusion that is actively dangerous.
It's totalitarian and Orwell spotted it first, of course. Once you allow - even force - people to accept obvious absurdities without challenge, you can pretty much get them to do anything. If you outlaw demonstrable truth and logic and make a virtue of lying, all bets are off.

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One wonders why our politicians don't seem to be addressing the issue; of course this nonsense is all primarily driven by the socialists' requirement for thought control, so why isn't our current, allegedly non-socialist government, addressing these issues?

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One wonders why our politicians don't seem to be addressing the issue; of course this nonsense is all primarily driven by the socialists' requirement for thought control, so why isn't our current, allegedly non-socialist government, addressing these issues?

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Because they think that if they do, they will lose votes and be seen as the 'Nasty Party'.

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It's the ingrained cognitive dissonance I find so terrifying. People who seriously seem to believe that one can be simultaneously pro-Islam and supportive of gay and women's rights. Or who are happy to discriminate against people on the basis of their skin colour or sex in the name of 'equality'. Or those who will trumpet the cause of 'social justice' while simultaneously denying the right to free speech or advocating the removal of suffrage. To be able to glide through life in the apparently sincere belief that not only is there is no contradiction between these positions, but that holding them makes one inherently virtuous seems to me to require a level of delusion that is actively dangerous.
It's totalitarian, of course and Orwell spotted it first, of course. Once you allow - even force - people to accept obvious absurdities without challenge, you can pretty much get them to do anything. If you outlaw demonstrable truth and logic and make a virtue of lying, all bets are off.

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It is surprising how many of this lot can be a bit violent and intolerant in the name of non-violence and tolerance.

****s to a man, b , or whatever they identify as today.

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It is surprising how many of this lot can be a bit violent and intolerant in the name of non-violence and tolerance.

****s to a man, b , or whatever they identify as today.

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I must admi, I quite like it that they tend towards the vio9lence, or what they think constitutes violence. When it all kicks off I'm looking forward to battering stinking socialists into hospital beds.