so how long ago were YOU saying "Wenger out!!"?

tricky start and early days this season, but with stronger, hungrier rivals at the top this could be AW's last season

I've been arguing with my Dad (who wants Wenger to stay as long as he wants to) and brother (who finally wants change) for years that Wenger was becoming a liability, and it's actually simple for me to pin-point when disillusionment turned to genuine loathing.

I used to play Football Manager and I'd always use the editor to take over the Arsenal and push Wenger into an upstairs role like Chairman - but when I got FM 2013 I pushed him out of the club altogether.

I've never said "Wenger out" because I don't think it will make much of an impact and may well be negative.

But if this season pans out the way I fear it will, it's time for him to go upstairs next summer.